AwardsDaily.com makes an assassination attempt on Gold Derby! Is this WAR?
For the first time ever, our rival awards website — AwardsDaily.com — has not only launched an attack on Gold Derby, but is hurling insults, ridicule and hate at us like Britney Spears wielding that umbrella. It's a meltdown not to be missed. CLICK HERE
Both sites have been around since about 1999 (AwardsDaily.com originally as Oscarwatch.com, TheEnvelope.com originally as GoldDerby.com) and have co-existed with mutual respect and even, I'd like to think, friendship. Often posters over there come roaring at me — haaa! —that's fine and that's fun. However, never before has a lead, official voice of either site attacked the other and certainly not with the same wild blood lust you can spy in the eyes of Daniel Day-Lewis and Javier Bardem while winning their Oscars.
It's not our dear Sasha Stone who's gone ballistic. It's a chap who helps her to mind the blog, Ryan Adams. So that makes him an official blog voice there. He's speaking on behalf of AwardsDaily.com. That's important. And shocking.
Normally, when two sides disagree over something, they focus on the details of the issue, to sort them out. Not Ryan Adams. Nowhere in his hysterical attack on me does he address the specifics of how he and I disagree on the topic of Melissa Leo's diva tantrum on the set of "Frozen River." He skips over all that and just insists that I'm "scrambling to twist Leo's words into something as ugly as [my] own motives." Apparently, he believes that if he keeps saying that over and over it'll become true, even if it isn't.
Oh, and, by the way, Ryan: What's my secret ugly motive? I'd love to know.
In his blog attack and comments underneath, Ryan Adams wants you to know that I am a "Puff Ho'" who fictionalizes "reality for maximum trashiness" while engaged in a "smear campaign" — and he ridicules me as such journalistic scum that it causes him to have less and less respect for mainstream "news" coverage because I exist. We've never met or spoken, Ryan and me, but he knows that I am personally deficient in kindness, consideration and class and that I'm at a website that is really about gossip, not serious awards coverage like AwardsDaily.com.
Oh, yeah? Because you brought the subject up, Ryan, let's compare AwardsDaily.com and TheEnvelope.com in terms of covering showbiz awards over the last few months, OK?
TheEnvelope.com has more detailed Emmy info than any media source on the planet. We broke the Katherine Heigl story over the last few weeks. Also, I leaked the Top 10 semifinalist lists before nominations came out. (For a third year in a row I've done that, by the way.) We also were the first media source to reveal what episodes are being viewed by Emmy judges — that's the most important Emmy information of all because that's how winners are chosen.
What Emmy scoops did AwardsDaily.com break, Ryan?
Also, TheEnvelope.com had the most thorough coverage of the Tony Awards and Daytime Emmys — no contest. We reported on them both in exhaustive detail and reported live at the scene from both ceremonies. I didn't see AwardsDaily.com there.
Re the Oscars: A few weeks ago Pete Hammond and I teamed up to issue one of the year's first thorough lists of contenders — that's how it was widely hailed.
What have YOU done, Ryan? What's your expertise? Since AwardsDaily.com is the real thing and Gold Derby/TheEnvelope.com is mere gossip, let me know how you surpassed our coverage in any single way over the last few months. Name just one. I'm dying to know.
Next, Ryan, please reveal your credentials so that we all know what gives you the authority to be posting at Sasha's blog. Why should anyone accept your wacko assassination attempt against me? And your contempt?
I assume you know my background, which must be trivial in comparison to your accomplishments in this field. I literally wrote the books on showbiz awards, of course, and they included the first real ones ever penned on the Emmys, Grammys, Golden Globes, etc. -- (click HERE, HERE and HERE to see) — books published by Variety and Penguin Putnam. In order to gather the material, I had to join armies of researchers whom I hired over many years to go where no journalists had ever gone before.
Sure, dozens of people had written Oscar books before me, but we're such a nation of film snobs that no one had bothered to investigate the other top showbiz awards. Until I came along, you know, I personally pioneered much of this field where you stand, Ryan.
Much of the history about showbiz awards you read anywhere, online or in print — including thousands of pages of lists of award winners at IMDB.com — are the result of my tireless research over nearly two decades. In fact, I helped IMDB.com compile its awards database, freely giving them lots of my stuff. That's why IMDB used to feature links to GoldDerby.com so prominently at Oscar time. It was their way of thanking us.
Among the many things I dug up that were considered lost to history: the nominations for the first 20 years of the Golden Globes. You can thank me for those, plus the old voting scores at the New York Film Critics Circle dating back to 1935. Lots of new, vital historical info like that appear in my books.
I've written professionally about all showbiz awards for the L.A. Times, New York Times, Washington Post, Variety, TV Guide, USA Today, E! Online, Billboard and scores of other top publications. I am the person most often quoted by the Associated Press and Reuters when award articles are written. I launched the first website all about all of the awards and it involved the contributions of 45 of America's top journalists writing for free just because they wanted to be part of it. The Los Angeles Times was so impressed by GoldDerby.com that it acquired the site in November 2005 and folded it into the launch of TheEnvelope.com.
For 20 years I have appeared frequently on TV as an authority about all showbiz awards. I can't think of a TV show or network that covers Oscars, Emmys, Grammys and Tonys that I haven't appeared on — and often. Over the last 30 days, I've appeared as an awards authority on "Entertainment Tonight," CNN, MSNBC, Fox News and CBS' "The Early Show."
Speaking of the Oscars, Emmys, Grammys and Tonys, I own them all. I possess what I believe is the largest private collection of historic showbiz awards anywhere on Earth. Over decades of careful collecting, I've amassed such treasures as the Golden Globes won by "Ben-Hur" (best film) and "Dynasty" (best TV show), two of Katharine Hepburn's Oscar nominations ("Suddenly, Last Summer," "The Rainmaker") and some of her academy membership cards, the Tony Award for best play ("Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?"), the Writers Guild of America Award won by "High Noon," etc. — plus lots more, all on view at the Hollywood Museum in the Max Factor Building at 1660 N. Highland Ave., just south of Hollywood Boulevard.
Gold Derby breaks news and voices opinions every day that are quoted around the world. Just the other day, for example, when the London Guardian wanted to reveal to its British readers the reaction in America to obscure British comedian Russell Brand being named host of the MTV Video Music Awards, the paper quoted this blog. SEE HERE.
Just over the last month, I and/or Gold Derby were quoted by the Associated Press (HERE) and Reuters several times (click HERE, HERE and HERE). Also: USA Today, Washington Post, Chicago Tribune, New York Daily News (click on newspaper titles to see articles) plus dozens of other major newspapers.
In addition, I was quoted frequently by EW.com, TVGuide.com, HollywoodReporter.com, AccessHollywood.com, E! Online, even Defamer.com and AwardsDaily.com.
Those are just some examples from the last 30 days. I can give you many more. And thousands over the past year.
Let's see the equivalent coverage that you have received, Ryan.
The reason that Ryan has attacked me with such fury publicly is because he's upset that I had the nerve to criticize Melissa Leo for her diva fit on the set of "Frozen River."
Really, that's what he's carrying on about. Can you believe it? That's how he uses (abuses?) his blogging privileges at AwardsDaily.com — just to drive his tantrum home with a slammed fist, stomped foot and a jungle scream.
Details of Melissa Leo's hissy fit are not in question. Basically, things got tense between Leo and director/writer Courtney Hunt while shooting one scene of the film. Leo must've behaved in such an inappropriate way that Hunt asked her, nicely, to please address her with respect. Instead, Leo threw a hissy fit and ordered the producer to "Talk to her!" We all know what that means.
I took issue with that incident when my ol' pal Thelma Adams of Us Weekly asked to me read a piece she'd written about Leo at the Huffington Post. She wondered if I had anything I wished to comment on in her piece — you know, in that way that bloggers encourage each other to cross-chatter and cross-link, thus building traffic.
I'm always game to pitch in on that score, so I was happy to oblige Thelma. Looking over her article, I sure felt I had something strong to say about Leo's diva fit. Enough! Why do stars always have to do this? Tell us stories about how they threw a righteous tantrum during filming and saved the day? Apparently, they think these stories make them look tough and important.
But actually, these huffy stars usually come out looking pretty pathetic when you examine the details of these stories they tell on themselves. You can usually see through the self-delusion and catch a glimpse of what really, sadly, took place if you bother. In Leo's case, her situation is interesting because it's odd: She tells a version of what triggered her diva fit that's hard to believe. Why? If it was as innocent as she claims — Leo merely asking for a clarification — Hunt wouldn't have asked Leo to address her with respect, causing Leo to explode.
That's what I found so interesting about Thelma's story and I thought it worth commenting on because Leo is now an Oscar contender for best actress. She better knock off this diva bit. As an awards blogger, I thought it was OK for me to convey that suggestion to her while building on Thelma's article.
But apparently not. When Sasha Stone read my post, she described me as a "shark circling" Leo with an apparent agenda to reap publicity for myself. Oh really, Sasha? I planned to do that by attacking an unknown actress in an unknown movie?
Oh, it doesn't matter. Sasha was just being bawdy as a blogger, and that's great. When I read her item, I chuckled and smiled, winking at her 3,000 miles away.
I also got a kick out of Jeff Wells of Hollywood-Elsewhere.com pooh-poohing my complaint against Leo too. Fine. As a follow-up, I did a post acknowledging (and linking to) their views plus more thoughts from Thelma insisting that I was wrong. Fine, great. Apparently, Melissa Leo piped in with a comment at that blog spot too.
At this point the case should've been closed, but then, suddenly, roaring out of the distance — eyes bulging, teeth gnashing — came the king of all award experts Ryan Adams, and not to discuss any details of this contested issue. No, he came bearing flame-throwers and ridicule and disgust because it's clear that I’m not worthy to be in the same blogosphere that he is.
But Ryan: what gives you the right to be here at all? Please answer — and I insist that you address me with respect. That's something you and your pal Leo aren't fond of doing, but now I must demand it — just like Courtney Hunt did.
(Photos: AwardsDaily.com, PenguinPutnam, Tom O'Neil)





Did you really just post a picture of all your acclaimades?
Posted by: D.W. | August 20, 2008 at 05:56 PM
That was hilarious, although more than a little embarrassing, to read. Biggest overreaction I've seen/read in a very long time.
Posted by: DBibby | August 05, 2008 at 05:12 AM
Wow. Little did Melissa Leo know she'd be riding her alleged "diva fit" all the way down PR Lane. For a small film like Frozen River, all press truly is good press.
(Tom, did it ever occur to you that the act of telling on herself in the Thelma Adams interview shows Leo to be just the opposite of a "diva?" She acknowledged her "actressy" moment -- and her anxiety about carrying a film for the first time -- while also answering truthfully about what it was like working with a new director. Being willing to cast yourself as the fit-thrower does not a diva make.)
Speaking of throwing fits, yours is one to remember. Never have I read something more ludicrous than your argument that since you own a bunch of awards given to other people for *their* work you must be respected as a top-notch entertainment journalist. Whaaa? I'll give you the books -- you and your assistants certainly did that work -- but, truly, where in Mr. Adams' post does he purport to be anything more than he is (a blogger who's interested in movies and awards)? Further, at what point does he question your credentials? Never! He just thinks you took a quote out of context, and with no corroborating source, turned it into something that only someone who witnessed it could confirm that it was. You were lax in basic journalism skills, Tom. You described a "scene" that, as far as we know, only occurred in your head -- and you presented it as fact. I have a feeling you know that it was a piece of sloppy and subjective work. Otherwise, why did it sting so much to have it pointed out to you?
Posted by: clarence | August 04, 2008 at 04:02 PM
And now for good news as opposed to Tomgate! Back to Melissa Leo and Frozen River, which made $10,471 per screen on its opening weekend in only 7 theaters in NY and LA! In the per-screen top ten, it ranks third behind The Mummy in second and ahead of fourth-place The Dark Knight. As movie-goers, let's get out of the sandbox, get the focus back on the film, Melissa Leo's performance, and vote with our movie ticket money.
Posted by: Thelma Adams | August 04, 2008 at 09:56 AM
Tom - your site is by far, the best, the industry standard and you have much to be proud. But how about a little humility? You seem to be incredibly thin-skinned and this tantrum of yours is quite unbecoming, not worthy of you or this terrific site.
Posted by: TIM | August 04, 2008 at 05:28 AM
Hey Tom,
Okay tom, ive always been a big fan of your website and pretty much get 80% of all awards info from it. I disagree with on Brokeback Mountain/Crash and Nicole kidman's oscar win, and cringe when you rant about them but seriously this whole tit-for-tat is getting out of hand. i check your blog 5 times a day literally but now im thinking "urgh is it worth it" and im sure a lot of other people are too.
1. your site is a million times better than theirs, stop giving them advertising.
2. ignore all the stuff other ppl are saying about your view on leo, let it pass. youre a grown man, im sure you have suffered worse
3. go back to breaking news and giving info, that will silence more of your detracters about the gossip mongering because the longer you rant and rave about this fight amongst bloggers the more gossipy it seems
Posted by: Usman | August 03, 2008 at 05:08 PM
Ugh. I've been a patron at both of this sites for sometime. But c'mon guys. Just agree to disagree and move on. This is clearly a misunderstanding that got blown out of proportion. Let's just get back to what you guys do best. Hopefully, when I get back this will have all blown over. ~Peace.
Posted by: Chriswpg | August 03, 2008 at 05:03 PM
Tom O'Neil behave yourself...
Please try to remember that for two years in row have herarlded two movies as the surefire winners of the oscar: Dreamgirls and Sweeny Todd, especially with Sweeny Todd were terrible your predictions because NOBODY follow you and you reported it as a done deal... well, believe me Awardsdaily is makin a way better job with the Oscar coverage than you period
Posted by: JK | August 03, 2008 at 10:47 AM
If I were Ryan Adams, I'd be quite flattered by all the attention he's getting from you, Tom. That alone speaks volumes about his talent and skill as an entertainment blogger.
Regarding Melissa Leo and her diva tantrum that you feel registered so heavily on the Richter Scale, what's all the fuss about? If you're so good at documenting film history, surely you must be able to enumerate the thousands upon thousands of displays of temperament that have occurred on Hollywood film sets since before Lillian Gish tossed her first curl.
Posted by: Pierre de Plume | August 03, 2008 at 10:00 AM
I read Tom's verrrrrry long article and then clicked on his link to read what horrible screed Ryan Adams had posted against them. And then my reaction was, where's the beef?
Adams' post is about five short paragraphs long, and to me reads like a mildly annoyed little piece about Tom. What's the big deal!!!!?????
Tom has waaaaay over-reacted to things before. He skin is about as thin as a butterfly wing. Everything to him is a personal attack on his integrity as an "awards expert" (yes, even awards experts feel they have integrity!).
Get over it Tom. Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
Posted by: Scott | August 03, 2008 at 09:05 AM
Now THAT is a diva fit. Good work, Tom!
Posted by: Anon | August 03, 2008 at 08:40 AM
I would like to know what the possession of trophies and movie souvenirs has to do with anything. It appears after reading these posts that you are far from the affable and beloved man that you paint yourself to be. And your site shouldn't even be put on the same level as AWARDSDAILY. Your site is a glorified gossip blog. Your entire rant above was self-serving and egotistical posturing. And you call yourself a professional? What a pathetic post.
Posted by: Sam Juliano | August 03, 2008 at 08:10 AM
You got called to the carpet for writing a hatchet piece, Tommy, pure and simple. Grow up and take your lumps. There's no defending what you did.
Move on.
Posted by: joel | August 02, 2008 at 11:33 PM
Tom, I often try to ignore your sense of self righteousness, but this rant is really pushing it. Come on now, sir, you're bigger than this. No need to use the LA Times' dime to attack some B-level blogger.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow | August 02, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Gold Derby will always be my number 1 awards insider. Oscar Watch or Awards Daily are amateurs as compared to Gold Derby. Tom, you will always have my full support.
Posted by: Francesca | August 02, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Ok, for real people, are you all really wasting your time on this foolish foolish attempt to derail Tom O'Neil?
Yeah, I'm not one for what has been occuring because to belittle what happened in an interview, well...it's a waste of time. WHEN, CLEARLY, there should be analysis going on about the upcoming emmys. And future Oscars? hmm?
But seriously people, grow up.
Posted by: Tannr | August 02, 2008 at 08:18 PM
Hi folks,
Does anybody know where Tom lives? Does Tom have any friends?
Isn't it time now for one of those "interventions" they talk about? Or are we just going to wait for that "say hello to my little friend" moment when Tom's locked himself in the basement, firing at the hallucinations circling around, waiting to get him....
Posted by: Hayne | August 02, 2008 at 08:16 PM
Tom, you have vented and stated your case. I tried to get into 'oscarwatch' back in the day but I lost interest. There is something special about Goldderby/The Envelope and you are a prime reason why the active posters and frequent visitors continue to come here. You are very compassionate about your work here and it shows. You have your diva moments, but it's cool. Now take a deep breath, drink a vodka and tonic and watch your favorite movie.
Posted by: Go_blue | August 02, 2008 at 07:54 PM
That photo of awards you PURCHASED is not doing your argument any favors.
Posted by: parker | August 02, 2008 at 07:52 PM
Tom, it just sounds like it's a difference of opinion and I hope that the two of you can acknowledge that and move on. That said, I feel that I have to stand up for Ryan. The work he does on Awards Daily makes me proud of the site and I don't think his intentions were to start a war with The Envelope. Can we just have a handshake ... or a milkshake?
Posted by: sasha stone | August 02, 2008 at 07:23 PM
Please...let's drop it right now. Say what you will about the initial comment that started this--it may have over-reacted--, but it didn't misqoute or "reimagine" the events, nor did it say anywhere that Leo wasn't deserving of the Oscar. It even posted positive coverage of the movie. To say that Tom has "ugly motives" and is trying to destroy Leo is totally wrong. And even if this newest post is immature and egotistical, so is continuing to bash Tom O'Neil. Nothing is going to come of it. Tom only wrote his second post in response to the attacks to his first one, and this third post in response to attacks on his second one. Continuing this ridiculous argument makes BOTH sides--AwardsDaily too--look like four-year-old kids in a playground: "He started it!" "No, he started it!" "No, he did!" Both of these columns are entertaining and informative when they stick to awards buzz, which they do professionally and responsibly. Continuing to argue when nothing's going to come of it just makes both sides look bad, and is just going to blow this into ridiculously large porportions. JUST STOP!
Posted by: Jack | August 02, 2008 at 06:08 PM
It's sad to witness a grown man throw a tantrum but it is refreshing to see so many call you out on your pettiness. Last oscar season you made it your job to malign Angelina Jolie. It is one thing not to enjoy her performance as Mariane Pearl but your repeated attacks became personal. Very similiar to your attacks on Melissa Leo. What is it about strong women, who refuse to conform that makes you crazy? So who's next to face your wrath? Angelina is back again with the Changeling. Anne Hathaway looks promising in Rachel Getting Married. Meryl Streep in Doubt? Three very different women but all with backbone just like Melissa Leo.
Posted by: Tori | August 02, 2008 at 05:58 PM
Tom, I didn't even read the whole post, but, how many of those awards did you win the picture and how many did YOU BUY? If you bought them, good for you, but that means NOTHING! You didn't win them for the work that you did.
Second, you pass yourself off as this expert about awards, especially the emmys, and YET you make factual errors here all the time about the very awards that you are supposed to know so much about. You wrote a piece about Anjelica Houston getting her first Emmy nomination 2 weeks ago, even though she just received her 6th nomination. And, I knew this for fact without checking, but I verified on IMDB in less than a minute. You published an entire article and had graphics created that WERE wrong!!! And, it was published. And, my last response was deleted from the comments section. And, there was no name calling. I held you accountable, and the LA times removed my comment.
Posted by: bryansamo | August 02, 2008 at 04:31 PM
Damn, so I guess nobody took my advice from the last Leo article and got laid. It's a damn shame. Everyone really does seem to need it.
Posted by: alynch | August 02, 2008 at 04:12 PM
How does karma feel Tom? That whole on awards daily is right. You do slander celebrities. You totally have blood on your hands on how you broke the story about Katherine Heigl. I was completely disgusted with your behavior over the course of two years. Welcome to karma. You are WRONG.
Posted by: Melissaa | August 02, 2008 at 03:45 PM