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Oscars gurus pipe in: Can Angelina Jolie be nominated for 'Changeling'?

October 6, 2008 | 11:31 am

Recently, while weighing Angelina Jolie's Oscar odds for "Changeling" and wondering if she's been snubbed by the academy since 1999 because of her tabloid life, I invited other Oscarologists to pipe in to get their views.

JEFFREY WELLS, HOLLYWOOD-ELSEWHERE.COM: "I'm not sensing a punishment mentality directed at Angelina Jolie because she's a gossip press mainstay. Perhaps subconsciously there's a certain resentment toward anyone whose life has become a pageant of relentless gallivanting about and resultant tabloid fodder and is therefore part of the idiot wind sandstorm out there that does none of us any good.  I think we could all do well to focus less obsessively on the perks and pleasures of abundant wealth, which is what every vapid, under-educated status seeker in every corner of the globe dreams about every waking day . . . .

"On top of which her performance, I would argue, is somewhat less interesting and less penetrating than the performances by Kristin Scott Thomas ('I've Loved You So Long'); Anne Hathaway ('Rachel Getting Married'), Melissa Leo ('Frozen River') and Kate Beckinsale ('Nothing But the Truth'). And yet to come is Kate Winslet ('Revolutionary Road,' 'The Reader') and Meryl Streep ('Doubt'). Who am I missing? She isn't the least bit irritating like Sally Hawkins in 'Happy-Go-Lucky' -- she's a very beautiful actress who knows how to emote and play to other actors in an honest way that doesn't prod or grate.

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"At best, Angelina Jolie is a third-place slot right now behind Kristin Scott Thomas and Melissa Leo.  She has the power of Universal and her own fame behind the effort, and I imagine she'll prevail, which will be fine if it happens.  But she won't win." READ MORE

SASHA STONE, AWARDSDAILY.COM: "I agree with all of Jeff's actress contenders, except Beckinsale. She hasn't earned her spot yet and will need a LOT of critical acclaim, which she may yet get but hasn't so far.  As far as Angelina Jolie, if her place in the industry was secure, she would have been nominated for 'A Mighty Heart.' That she wasn't showed that she is, perhaps, a bit overexposed. Manohla Dargis has said that she is so famous now it's impossible to imagine her as a different person.  Her fame has eclipsed her ability to transform and thus, like Madonna, it's impossible to appreciate her 'acting' unless she's playing basically herself.  You say the same thing, essentially, that she doesn't 'bury herself' in roles to a believable (Charlize Theron) degree. But then there's Clint to the rescue.

"My only pause with what you wrote was the stuff about the pleased crowd at the screening. True enthusiasm is hard to suss out of a crowd eager to please.  Some of the reviews I've read say she isn't very good — so if she isn't very good and she's Angelina Jolie that's two strikes against her at the outset.  The clips I've seen of her show me what Jolie does best in a dramatic role: recede into the place of the victimized, the "poor me" kind of crying that she did so well in 'Gia' and 'Girl, Interrupted.' It's a selfish kind of crying and I'm not sure that will work with this particular part.  We don't need her to tell us to feel badly for her; we should feel badly for her anyway.  So her job here should be to try not to cry, to try to hold it together.  I haven't seen it yet, unfortunately, so I don't now if she succeeds at doing that.

"The accusations I've read on the web that she's 'gunning for an Oscar' seem overly harsh: I don't think Angelina Jolie cares one bit if she wins or not, or is nominated or not.  What she cares about is helping the movie per her contractual obligations so that she can make more films, make more money and fund her political and social causes.  She's a big picture kind of person and so this Oscar talk is a bit beneath her, i think.  I agree with Jeff also in that she's doesn't "need" an Oscar for any reason other than to help her make more films so she can continue to fund her causes.  In other words, she's just doing her job. The Oscar voters tend to reward people they feel could benefit from a nomination so that they then feel like they're efforts are both heroic and not in vain."

THELMA ADAMS, US WEEKLY: "'Changeling' is strong commercially, but not strong as an Oscar contender. Jolie good, but better in 'A Mighty Heart.' And this year the women's field is looking strong.  Let's see 'Gran Torino.' Maybe, if they release in December, that has an impact on this one's chances, especially if it's better."

ANNE THOMPSON, VARIETY.COM: "It's early days. The actress field is weak. 'Rachel Getting Married' has to be a hit. Sony Pictures Classics has to do everything right with its Hathaway campaign. Ditto Universal and 'Changeling.' With a weak field anything can happen."

EDWARD DOUGLAS, COMINGSOON.NET: "I think that Anne Hathaway for 'Rachel Getting Married' is the biggest story right now only because she's been doing the rounds all week to promote the movie and EVERYONE has been bringing up her Oscar chances. I definitely think she's guaranteed for a nomination since she has all the right credentials for a best actress nomination: young, the role involves lots of crying and nudity. (Helen Mirren's the only actress to win with only one of the three.) I personally don't understand the appeal of the movie and why everyone is raving about it, but as someone who just came back from a rehearsal dinner and was cringing the whole way through, it might just be my adversity to weddings in general.

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"As far as Angelina, I thought she was a sure thing before seeing 'Changeling,' and I still feel the same after seeing 'Changeling' (which I had many problems with as a movie.) I do think her performance is strong enough to be considered. But I didn't think it was as impressive as her performance in 'A Mighty Heart' and, if she got shut out last year, I can't imagine an Oscar voter might think she deserves to get nominated this year for what's essentially a genre film. (I thought she was as good or better in 'The Good Shepherd' and she barely got a mention anywhere for that.)

"The reason why I think she could still get in is that this is another light year for strong actress roles, much lighter than last year, but I still think this is Kate Winslet's year — if not for 'Revolutionary Road' than 'The Reader.' Kate's just too good in everything she does without making it appear like she's going for an Oscar (like Angelina sometimes does)."

(Universal)

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I have to ask "why so serious?" with these oscar actress contenders? I strongly believe that Sarah Jessica Parker should be nominated for Sex and the city -- because she does comedy and is the driving emotional force of the movie. When will the Academy voters learn to recognize lighter commercial films. If she had given this performance in a small low budget movie -- she would be the front runner right now.

Here are some great quotes from AwardsDailyForums that attack these biased against Jolie:

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October 6th, 2008 at 10:26 am 29

My, a detractor can cut down an intelligent response filled with painful truth with one ugly sentence. I have seen the haters use that tactic time and time again. It is ignorant for you to claim that most of the people who are praising the film and her performance haven’t seen it yet and then act like the people who are bashing it must have seen it. You are also wrong about certain people not understanding her as a person. Some of those people do know her directly. However, some people can engage in deep analysis, research, study, and soul-searching to intimately understand a person without knowing them directly. People can connect spiritually.

Don’t underestimate the power of an outside observer. Then nobody can claim to understand anybody on this planet without having interaction. Historians and biographers would be out of a career because what they believe and say is not all based on concrete fact but introspective research into their subject’s minds. In fact, you can know somebody directly, be friends with them for years, and still not understand who they really are ,yet an outsider possibly can.

The people who criticize her and are operating on a cruel bias do not understand her at all. They completely base their feelings on what the media wants them to believe, according to a misportrayal that gossip created. It is coming from ignorance and immorality. Then when the people who were immune from the spin put the time, effort, and energy to try to understand her and to defend her from all the bs, her haters often bring up that tactic; you don’t know her so your words have no value. Yet they don’t apply that factor to themselves when they engage in their nastiness and spread their false notions. They think it has value because it comes from the media..not understanding how corrupt, manipulative, and deceptive the media can be.

The haters cut down the real insiders and people who strongly understand the truth in many ways, the most popular tactic is to act like we have no credibility but they however, can express their wrong beliefs and the hate that comes from it, all they want. They also don’t apply that tactic towards the woman they support, they praise her all they want, not understanding they were conned by her. They act like they know her, love her like a friend, even are being vindictive on her behalf, and yet they hypocritically apply that principle against us and make us feel foolish & stupid.

The few people who stand up to the bandwagon bashers with that false perspective have had to deal with an incredible amount of abuse and harassment. We have every right to rail on people like you because we can’t let every board on the internet degenerate into that mob mentality against her and everything associated with her because it is unfair and unethical. You people don’t have any limits to how and where you apply this to and it has had a negative impact on her career. I am not basing what I am saying just on this board but on what I witnessed all over the internet and through other media outlets. It is about principles, right & wrong,and it goes way beyond celebrities and films. Then you say Yawn like what she said was so boring when it was profound and important. Not only are you biased against her but you are biased against us.

I know it is all subjective but to act like what she said lacks merit based on that principle is very immature and ignorant. I also know you aren’t neutral and have a opinion, otherwise you wouldn’t have made that statement or used that tactic. If people really did have that attitude, we can’t express any commentary or judgement on that celebrity because we don’t know them personally, that whole circumstance never would have gone out of hand to begin with. Those people have also been around for a long time, there has been over ten years where we can draw insight and understanding about their personalities and character. Everyone has a right to analyze. It is the same with those often ruthless journalists, they don’t know them personally yet they can impose a false image that contradicts who they really are and turn the entire world against them with an accusation. We all have a claim to understanding, you need to let go of that attitude.

Some people might think I am overreacting to what he said and that I am reading too much into it but I am not. I can quickly pinpoint that hater with that perspective because I have observed and analyzed this for a few years now and certain signs reappear over and over again. I was hoping not to see that tactic on this board. Another tactic or comeback would be to say that I need to get a life or that I am a loser for caring so much. There is an element of hypocrisy and extreme ignorance to that as well as I can apply to the people who say that in reverse.

I have seen the film and it was brilliant. I have said this before in another post, I don’t want to comment too much on it or give an in-depth review because I don’t want to reveal too much about it. I also do know her personally but I needed to defend the few people who understand her and the reality of the situation who don’t know her directly because they often share such powerful insights and information. I try to avoid commenting because I know I will get emotional because I am too close and I don’t want to incite a riot over that issue. I also don’t want this discussion to deviate into a personal one even though I did cross that line a little bit.

Please don’t let my post provoke you know what and keep the comments professional and have it relate to the film. I agree with Jo about Manohla. Katey Rich also displayed her bias and I thought Ed’s review from Slant was insane. I know that not everybody who was not impressed with this film is operating on that bias. Some people are separating their personal feelings with their professional feelings and still might not like the film. I am a fan but I don’t like all of their films. I separate the two perspectives. I did not like The Good Shephard, Wanted, and Beowulf. I admired her performance in A Mighty Heart but I thought the film was weak. I didn’t like Oceans 13 and Burn After Reading. But I need to make people aware that a lot of that dissent and criticism is a result of that bias and they should not be influenced by it.

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Jo
October 5th, 2008 at 7:43 pm 26

I understand where Juliette is coming from because the bitterness is already starting to overflow. People are already actively campaigning against this film and of course, they usually deny there is any sort of bias involved. Or they act like she deserves the bias. Or they pretend to be fans. I frequently visit these award contender sites and I can tell who is operating on the bias and who genuinely has issues with the film based on artistic merit. I also know people in the industry who made a big point in being condescending and cold to this film even before they saw it because they just don’t want to like it. This film shouldn’t be causing such a divide in opinion. I find the heavy campaigning against this film quite suspicious.

Most of the people I sense that are making criticisms out of merit, think there is room for improvement in certain areas but they wouldn’t call this a mediocre film with unexceptional acting because the complete opposite is true. Manohla’s bias seemed pretty blatant to me because her contempt for Angelina seemed clear. She is even went as far to imply that Angelina is just a bad actress overall with a lack of range which I found very mind-boggling and just plain wrong. I also know for a fact that she despises her with a passion. There are many people in the industry who are engaging in politics and are trying to drive her out of Hollywood by labeling her a bad actress amongst other negative things because they were deeply corrupted into believing something that is not true and are getting their baseless revenge. They have no clue of the magnitude of deceit and injustice they are engaging in. It is not due to true morality, which the media and Hollywood is certaintly lacking in, but due to mind control and spite. I think she has great range and she completely inhabits the character of Christine Collins with the right amount of intensity and humanity. If Angelina gets nominated, the detractors will just scoff and say it is because of the Eastwood factor which I find profoundly unfair because it is an Oscar-worthy performance in an Oscar-worthy film.

However, wishing that it does not get nominated to decrease some of the backlash is just letting those people win and I hope she does get nominated because she does deserve it. I found it more compelling and moving than Penn’s performance in Mystic River or Hilary Swank’s acting in $DB. She does act with a capital A in this film but it is in a good way. Besides, the problem with the trailer and select clips they are showing of the film is that they take snippets from a very powerful performance. When you take it out of context it might appear to be histrionic but when you see in the context of the film, the peformance comes off very differently. The previews are also giving away too many of the plot elements. People would have found the twists and turns more thrilling if they thought it was just a story about a kidnapping.

A BP, BD, BA, Best Original Screenplay, Best Original Score, and a BSA nod would be well-earned. The detractors are not going to completely get their way because there is also strong support though the bias will do some damage. I predict this film will get the nominations but won’t get the wins. Even if she gets nominated, I predict she will be the least likely to win regardless of who the competition is.

Her acting in A Mighty Heart overwrought?! Are you kidding me? She did a great job in portraying Marianne’s dignity, pain, and etc. There was also only one real scene in which there was an outward display of grief and she handled it so well. I cried when she cried. I felt indignation and anger when the character displayed it. I felt like I was connecting to Marianne and what she must have felt during that tragic time and it takes a superior talent to draw that kind of emotion out of you. I just feel she is on the right track as an actress and she should continue to impress. I wish her nothing but the best.
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Source: http://www.awardsdaily.com/?p=2812

I have always thought Angelina Jolie was an interesting actress one of the better actresses who has been treated unfairly due to the never ending tabloid fodder. Alot of people are still clinging to the 3 and a half yr. later divorce of Pitt and Aniston blaming Jolie and yes Brad Pitt gets a free pass.
Anyone who has been divorced knows it's a 50/50 deal and when Pitt did not come out and give his side of his divorce story to counteract Aniston's tv and mag interviews Angelina Jolie not Pitt is the one taking one helll of a beating ever since.
It has nothing to do with AJ's acting and everything to do with a HW divorce.My God they are still doing polls asking if AJ and BP break up will you be glad they did?
That's ridiculous!
If they would separate Jolie's personal life from her professional life i do think she would have won an oscar for her role as Maryann Pearl .
I havn't seen "Changeling" but i can see the same thing happening again. She could easily lose a well deserved oscar and it will be due to the tab junk about her personal life which is always BS in the end instead of seeing her for the great actress she really is.
And to the poster above saying AJ should leave Brad Pitt? WHY? She loves him and vice versa. And that has nothing to do with her life on the big screen as MaryAnn Pearl or this new film as Christine Collins.
It's so unfair that people make it so.

I feel that Angelina should get a Oscar nomination this year.
Why criticise her and not Brad arent they both over exposed by the paps, tabloid gutter magazines I mean they are to blame for her overexposure. For christs sake give her a break and leave her and her kids alone!! Double standards here by the critics!!

the fact that there is a column dedicated to jolie's chances of getting a nom shows that she deserves it. she should have received it for a mighty heart.

I think she does not care at all about Oscar. I think it is just very harsh to judge her all the time. I think she is one of the greatest American actresses, because when I saw her in Gia and Girl interrupted she was beyond good.
She was so sensitive and great in a Mighty heart and she is the only actress right now who can really be in every role she wants.
as far for Brad, well he is an iconic actor, he simply creates characters not just plays them.

I recall many of these same arguments were used with FFCoppola by studios against hiring Brando for 'The Godfather.' An actor the late great film critic Pauline Kael once compared Angelina Jolie to, I read. I'm starting to think that the best year to be nominated for other actresses, is a year in which Angelina Jolie is a possible nominee, because it seems as if there are always going to some faction falling all over themselves to try and talk her out of a well-earned and deserved spot. (..and by the way, Tom O'Neill's coverage of her has always been borderline nasty) When Changeling premiered in May, you had enumerable critics of note saying Jolie was amazing and BETTER than she was in 'A Mighty Heart,' and as everyone knows she was great in that. Presumably, to even be discussed as a possible Oscar contender (as Jolie has been since Changeling premiered in May at Cannes) is supposed to be a compliment. Yet this entire column almost seems punitive, and a way to slam her or subconsciously give biased voters on the fence a reason not to nominate her. The odd characterizations of her portrayal of a grieving mother - she cries too much? Really? She should should show more restraint? Oh. I see. Thanks for your expert missing child reaction. I certainly would take your advice over someone who already has an Oscar (and 6 kids to boot). Lest Jolie get too cocky about that past 'win,' this column even finds a way to dismiss that. Amazing. Since the film has not released, since many of the people commenting claim to not even have seen it yet and are voicing opinions based on clips(outrageous!) - I consider this whole exercise, suspect. Let the woman be. She does her job in a stellar way, she goes home, she raises her kids, and gives back to the world. How hypocritical to blame her for some tabloid media overexposure backlash when she's been out of sight since May - and especially when you're spotlighting her on this site to garner hits complete with a silly 'US Weekly' style poll. Is she really to blame for the tabloid headlines? Please explain how Angelina Jolie is responsible for lying tabloid headlines such as 'Does Angelina Have Post Partum Depression?' Also, she wasn't even in the tabloids and weeklies to any significant degree until 2004-2005.

I'm starting to think that the best year to be nominated for other actresses, is a year in which Angelina Jolie is a possible nominee. Because it seems as if there are always going to be people falling all over themselves to try and talk her out of a well-earned and deserved spot. How is it, that 5 or 6 other actresses get a free pass, and assumed Oscar nods while she is left holding the short end of the stick despite racking up nominations from various other notable Awards. When Changeling premiered in May, you had many critics of note saying Jolie was BETTER than she was in 'A Mighty Heart,' and as everyone knows she was great in that. Presumably, to even be discussed as a possible Oscar contender (as Jolie has been since Changeling premiered in May at Cannes) is supposed to be a compliment. Yet this entire column almost seems punitive, and a way to slam her or subconsciously give biased voters on the fence a reason not to nominate her. The odd characterizations of her portrayal of a grieving mother - she cries to much? Really? She should should show more restraint? Oh. I see. Thanks for your expert missing child reaction. I certainly would take your advice over someone who already has an Oscar. Lest Jolie get to cocky about that past 'win,' this column even finds a way to dismiss that. Amazing. Since the film has not released, since many of the people commenting claim to not have even seen it yet - I consider this whole exercise, suspect. Let the woman be. She does her job, she goes home, she raises her kids, and gives back to the world. How hypocritical to blame her for some media overexposure backlash when she's been out of sight since May - and especially when you're spotlighting her on this site to garner hits complete with a silly 'US Weekly' style poll. Is she really to blame for the tabloid headlines? Please explain how Angelina Jolie is responsible for lying tabloid headlines such as 'Does Angelina Have Post Partum Depression?'

I agree with the 2 previous posts. I had a lot of doubts about the wisdom of her getting together with Brad Pitt. I felt he was TROUBLE with a capital “T” and brought a lot of drama, trauma, and abuse pouring on top of her head. I guess she thought he was worth it since he was a great partner and father, and someone with the same worldview and life goals as she did. He won me over when he formed the Make It Right Project for safe, green, sustainable housing for the poorest Katrina survivors.

Overexposure is a big problem for the Jolie Pitts. I had to watch Babel twice before I could see past Brad Pitt the actor/tabloid target to his character. But I didn’t have that problem in The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, and from the looks of the trailer for The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, I won’t have that problem with it either. I immediately wholeheartedly saw Mariane, not Angelina, when I watched A Mighty Heart – the two are so different. And from the Changeling clips, I’m not looking at Angelina at all, I’m looking at Christine Collins.

It’s unfair and ironic that Angelina and Brad – mostly Angelina – are being punished for being victims of exploitation by tabloid blogs/rags/newspapers/tv shows. The tabloid media are making money hand over fist – everytime Angelina is in their headlines their sales, ratings and internet traffic go up. It doesn’t help that legitimate media repeats the lies, misinformation and disinformation wholesale without any fact-checking. It always kills me when people blame Angelina and Brad for being tabloid fodder. They don’t choose to court paps/tabs’ attention like Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian, and Megan Fox; they don’t surrender to it like Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan and Amy Winehouse. It’s not their fault that they’re the objects of the public’s obsession – which, btw, is so profitable for the tabs and paps.

I was just about to say that. Jolie always gets trashed by the tabloid media every single week and Pitt gets a free pass. She always has to be scrutinized for everything including her work, but Pitt gets a free pass. If it wasn't for Pitt, she wouldn't be this overexposed in the tabloids.

It's funny how Brad will never get these comments even though he's OVEREXPOSED as well. Maybe even more so than Jolie.

He is the ONLY male star who is constantly in the tabloid headlines. For some reason everyone is harsher when it comes to Ms. Jolie. Maybe she should dump him.



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