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Beyonce and Kings of Leon did NOT pull off Grammy 'upsets'

January 31, 2010 | 11:09 pm

Reuters is among the media outlets labeling Kings of Leon's Grammy Award for record of the year for "Use Somebody" as a "surprise," but that's hogwash. Many sources believe that Beyonce pulled off a jaw-dropper in the Grammy battle over best song — or else they think it's shocking that she won there for "Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)" and not in the corresponding category for best record for "Halo." (Often those Grammys get bestowed as a matching pair.)

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You know that's nonsense too — if you've been following the expert Grammy dish here at Gold Derby.

Our forum moderator, Darrin "DoubleD" Dortch, and I predicted Kings of Leon would triumph for best record. We also thought it could prevail for song of the year, but I warned that Beyonce's "Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)" had a strong chance to be the spoiler.

As Darrin notes during our discussion, the prize for best record often goes to rock tunes with a lush musical sound like "Use Somebody." Consider recent past champs "Clocks" by Coldplay, "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" by Green Day and U2's "Walk On."

Theoretically, "Use Somebody" should've won best song too — the separate awards for the recording artist and songwriter usually line up about 50% of the time. Furthermore, the victory in the best-song race by a dance tune like "Single Ladies" is a rarity. But as I explained, Beyonce screwed up her Grammy submissions this year. "Single Ladies" is her strongest tune — so hip and catchy that it might've won best record too if Beyonce had entered it in competition. She didn't. She submitted the ho-hum "Halo" in the best-record race instead and placed "Single Ladies" exclusively in the songwriters' contest. Why? You can check out our theorizing in past discussions, but basically put, she blew it.

But maybe it's not a total disaster. You can look at the Grammy outcome this way. At least Beyonce finally has won one of the top three awards. (Record, song and album of the year are considered the holy trinity.) In the past, she had won 10 Grammys, but they were all in the second-tier slots. She had lost  record twice ("Irreplaceable" in 2008, "Crazy in Love" in 2004), song once ("Say My Name" in 2001) and she never before had been nominated for album.

It's just that the award for song doesn't have the same glamor as record. Beyonce is a queen. She's overdue for that crown or the one for album.

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Photo: Kings of Leon (WireImage)

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Grammy battle over best song: Taylor Swift, Beyonce or Kings of Leon?

January 26, 2010 | 12:51 pm

The Grammy categories for best record and song of the year sound similar, but they're not. Best record goes to the recording artist; best song to the tune's songwriter. As our dueling Grammy pundits David "Guru" Schnelwar and Darrin "DoubleD" Dortch point out, the winners often overlap, but they also often do not.

This year I don't think the awards may repeat, so I'm skeptical of the predix below. The key mistake I think our pundits may be making is underestimating the appeal of "Single Ladies," which is only entered here. Strangely, Beyonce didn't submitBeyonce Taylor Swift Kings of Leon 382741935 music news it for consideration in the race for best record, where she's nominated instead for "Halo," a far weaker entry. When voters choose not to repeat the record/song winners, they often choose a song not nominated in the record race. The only nomination that doesn't line up this year is "Single Ladies," so I think that might prevail, especially considering what a catchy, sexy ditty it is. But that, admittedly, may be a long shot possibility. As DoubleD reminds me via e-mail, "Come on, Tom, you should know better. Songs nominated in the R&B and rap categories NEVER win record/song of the Year. Alicia Keys and Luther Vandross are the only exceptions in the Grammys 52-year history."

Check out what we all think about these Grammy battles: best record, best album and best new artist.

SONG OF THE YEAR
"Poker Face"
"Pretty Wings"
"Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)"
"Use Somebody" — Double D
"You Belong With Me" — Guru

DOUBLED'S COMMENTARY: Record/song winners usually go together, so I'm giving "Use Somebody" the edge here, but Grammy voters may want to honor Swift's songwriting skills.

GURU'S COMMENTARY: Three of the five of these nominations are the same as those of record of the year.  The other two, Maxwell's "Pretty Wings" replaced the Black Eyed Peas' "I Gotta Feeling" and Beyonce's "Singles Ladies (Put a Ring on It)" switched places with "Halo."

The last rock group to win both record of the year and song of the year was U2 in 2000.  Are Kings of Leon as accomplished as U2 to win top honors?

This decade, almost 50% of the time, song and record of the year have gone to the same artist/song. 

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Will Taylor Swift or Kings of Leon reign at the Grammys?

Prediction: Taylor Swift will grab Grammy crown for best album of the year

Will the Zac Brown Band or Keri Hilson win the Grammy for best new artist?

Photos: Taylor Swift (Lawrence K. Ho/L.A. Times), Kings of Leon (RCA), Beyonce (Sony)

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Will Taylor Swift or Kings of Leon reign at the Grammys?

January 21, 2010 |  7:20 am

Gold Derby's resident Grammy experts — forum moderators David "Guru" Schnelwar and Darrin "DoubleD" Dortch — clash over who they predict will win the Grammy Award for best record of the year on Jan. 31. Personally, I agree with DoubleD that Kings of Leon will prevail, but that tune's old news, and the group lacks the perky sex appeal of Taylor Swift, who seems to rule joyously over all musicdom these days. So Guru maybe is right. I just happen to think that voters will give Taylor the award for best album plus a few more trophies in the lower-tier categories and consider that sufficient reward. Frankly, "You Belong With Me" just strikes me as being too artistically lightweight to be given such a prestigious prize. "Use Somebody" is a haunting masterwork.

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BEST RECORD OF THE YEAR: DOUBLED'S PREDIX
Beyoncé, "Halo"
Black Eyed Peas, "I Gotta Feeling"
Kings of Leon, "Use Somebody" -- X
Lady Gaga, "Poker Face"
Taylor Swift, "You Belong With Me"

DOUBLED'S COMMENTARY: In this category, Grammy voters favor rock bands and pop-rock songs with live instruments. Kings of Leon should easily win here unless Swifts wins as part of a coronation sweep.


RECORD OF THE YEAR: GURU'S PREDIX
"You Belong With Me" - Taylor Swift --X

GURU'S COMMENTARY: This is the fourth time Beyoncé has been nominated for record of the year ("Say My Name," "Crazy in Love" and "Irreplaceable"). "Halo" is not as big a hit as her previously nominated songs. Her bigger hit "Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)" was submitted for song of the year, not record of the year.  I think this was a strategic mistake and lessened her chances of winning this category.

This is the third nomination for the Black Eyed Peas for record of the year ("Where Is the Love" and "Let's Get It Started"). "I Gotta Feeling" opened the Grammy nominations prime-time TV special and was the theme song of the show.  The Black Eyed Peas had a noteworthy year by having a combined Billboard Singles Chart run of 20 six weeks for their songs "Boom Boom Pow" and "I Gotta Feeling."  However, they received no music-video rotation on MTV or VH1. I gotta feeling that the Black Eyed Peas are not going to win in this category.

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Who'll nab bids for best record at the Grammys: Kings of Leon, Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift, Black Eyed Peas?

November 22, 2009 |  3:15 pm

Who'll nab Grammy bids for best record of the year when nominations are announced Dec. 2? Below, I square off with predix against our Grammy forum moderators David "Guru" Schnelwar and Darrin "DoubleD" Dortch. Schnelwar was available for a video chat about this contest; we'll catch up with Dortch later via webcam. Meantime, his views are written below. All of us agree that top contenders include Beyonce, Black Eyed Peas, Green Day, Kings of Leon, Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift and U2.


(NOTE: Apologies for a bizarre scratching noise that can be heard here and there in the video. I don't know what it is!)




BEST RECORD Dortch O'Neil Schnelwar
"I Gotta Feeling,"  Black Eyed Peas

X

X

X

"21 Guns," Green Day    

X

"Use Somebody," Kings of Leon

X

X

X

"Poker Face," Lady Gaga

X

X

"Pretty Wings," Maxwell

X

 

   

"Run This Town," Jay-Z featuring Rihanna and Kanye West  

X

 
"You Belong With Me," Taylor Swift

X

X

X


RECORD OF THE YEAR: SCHNELWAR'S PREDIX
FRONT-RUNNERS
"I Gotta Feeling," Black Eyed Peas
"21 Guns," Green Day
"Use Somebody," Kings Of Leon
"Poker Face," Lady Gaga
"You Belong With Me," Taylor Swift

POSSIBLES
"Halo," Beyonce
"Run This Town," Jay-Z featuring Rihanna and Kanye West
"Hot N Cold," Katy Perry
"Working on a Dream," Bruce Springsteen
"I'll Go Crazy If I Don't Go Crazy Tonight," U2


*****

RECORD OF THE YEAR: DORTCH'S PREDIX
FRONT-RUNNERS
"I Gotta Feeling," Black Eyed Peas
"Use Somebody," Kings of Leon
"Poker Face," Lady Gaga
"Pretty Wings," Maxwell
"You Belong With Me," Taylor Swift
 
POSSIBLES
"Halo," Beyonce
"Blame It," Jamie Foxx
"You Found Me," The Fray
"21 Guns," Green Day
“Kids,” MGMT
“Fireflies,” Owl City
"Heartless," Kanye West
"Get on Your Boots," U2


"I Gotta Feeling" spent 14 consecutive weeks at No. 1 on the Hot 100. The last song that accomplished that feat, Mariah Carey's "We Belong Together," garnered a nod here. I think the BEPs are in, as is Lady Gaga, who is having a banner year.


The remaining nominees will be a mix of pop/rock and urban artists, though I have a sneaky suspicion NARAS will dig the more traditional sounds of Maxwell. Look for some surprising general-field love for him. Taylor Swift and Kings of Leon are safe bets here, but Owl City's No. 1 hit "Fireflies" is peaking right during Grammy voting, so watch out. Voter faves like U2, Kanye, Beyonce, etc., could show up here too.


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